Hi everyone, I’m currently the layout and design editor for my high school’s yearbook and this is my second year on our staff (I’m a sophomore). Actually, I’m the youngest editor my school has ever had (considered to be a huge compliment) and I was recently just named the editor-in-chief for the next two years. I’m somewhat concerned on my future, though. I will most definitely take the title of EIC for my school, but I’m not sure what school I should move on to once this is all over. I’ve been looking at a few, and I have a top five. But I’m not sure my list is that much of a good one. So, I was wondering if you guys could give me some advice on what an actual editor for a major fashion mag. has under their belt. Ultimately, I want the job viewers saw the character of Meryll Streep had in ‘The Devil Wears Prada’. But I want a job where I can design (adobe indesign, photoshop, illustrator, etc.) but also write a lot, and interview, etc. I want to travel to Paris for Fashion Week with the other editors, go to all of the shows, write, design, have my own office, etc. I know that I’ll have to start at the bottom (preferably at any of the magazines: W, Teen Vogue, VMAN, Interview, Vogue, Nylon, ELLE, etc.). So, is my top five list accurate?
1. FIT, where I’d be an Advertising and Marketing Communications Major (school is affordable, in the perfect area, and reputable).
2. NYU, where I’d be a Journalism Major. (not quite affordable, though).
3. Columbia University (way too pricy, though).
4. Graduate School of Journalism (after two years at either FIT or NYU).
5. Northwestern University.
It’d be great if you guys could help me out!
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It sounds like you have some
It sounds like you have some really great ideas for your future. I don’t think you should be very concerned about it though - you look like a very passionate journalist so I’m almost sure that your passion will aslways keep you on top. You remind me of one of my best friends. he used to be as passionate as you are. he even used once a fake college degree to get a job to a newspaper - that was before getting into college for real. Now he is one of the most well known journalists.
Mizzou overrated
The comments about Mizzou are probably fairly accurate, but certain things said are untrue.
I go to Drake University in Des Moines, IA (yes, Iowa…but look into it). Unlike at Mizzou, we start our program as freshmen. You get into the field right away and you can get paid internships as early as your freshman year at Meredith Corporation 5 minutes from campus (a bunch of Mizzou students intern at Meredith in the summer, but we get the experience all year round). Meredith is one of the top magazine publishers in the country. If nothing else, the proximity of our school to this company and their willingness to help Drake students is worth sticking out 4 years in Iowa. Our Jschool is named after them, and Meredith sponsors internship programs and campus magazines for Drake. There really is no better deal.
One person posted that Mizzou is the ONLY place to get real world experience before graduation. Absolutely untrue—please do the research yourself. Drake students intern here in DM all the time, and many intern in other cities as well—Chicago, Milwaukee, and tons in New York. At Mizzou, which I also looked into, you’re a number. At Drake, in a Jschool of 500, you really get to know your fellow students, your professors (who have worked in the industry), and often grads currently working all over the country. And also—our campus magazines beat Mizzou’s nearly every year in national journalism competitions. You can join these publications as a freshman as well.
If you want a bigger school or a better location, NYU is great as are a few others, but I do not think Mizzou is worth the time or money. Northwestern is also a little overrated.
Hope this helps, and sorry to offend any Mizzou students! It’s a great school—it’s just not the ONLY school by any means :)
Columbia, NYU and Northwestern
Hi!
I would say that Northwestern is nearly as pricey as Columbia or NYU. I don’t know much about graphic design schools, but I know journalism schools. And I think that some people on this board might be underselling the importance of having a strong writing background. Here’s something to look at:
http://www2.ku.edu/~acejmc/STUDENT/PROGLIST.SHTML
It is a list of accredited journalism programs across te US. Look into some of these programs to see if they’re offering exactly what you’re looking for.
Also, I would agree that Northwestern, while an excellent school, is overrated. Medill grads are no better than their counterparts at state schools. As my friend (and Medill grad) once said, “At Medill, you buy the name.”
Good luck! I hope you find a place that works for you.
Landon,
Landon,
I am currently a senior getting ready to graduate from the University of Missouri. The journalism school at MU was the first in the country and to date is considered one of the top programs to graduate from. I have had paid internships and gotten interviews at places based on the name of my college alone. It is the ONLY journalism school where you will receive real world experience before graduation. Our staff contains some of the top names in the journalism business and can serve as excellent recommendations for internships and jobs.
The J-school is hard to get in to and is very competitive. Only approximately 500 are accepted each year. I know that a state college probably isn’t your top choice, but trust me when I say that MU’s reputation proceeds it. In fact, when you graduate they refer to you as part of the “Mizzou Mafia” because we have so many connections. The good news is that since it is a state school, it is probably more affordable than some of your other choices.
Your long-term goals are the same as mine. When you are in your last semester, you take a course that has you working in your field called your capstone. I was one of 16 magazine students selected to work at a weekly alternative magazine in my town. I serve as a real editor for the magazine, editing a section, sometimes features and sometimes serving as an assistant managing editor. People who have completed this capstone in the past have gone on to work for Southern Living, Marie Claire, etc.
Let me know if you have any questions!
Thank you so much. I’ll
Thank you so much. I’ll definitely consider this school.
The fact that it’s a state school (prices) AND it’s as reputable as you say, that’s amazing.
I’ve heard a few things about it, but I just wasn’t too sure yet.
But thank you so much, I’ll def. look into it.
GREAT reply!
I am also a Mizzou
I am also a Mizzou undergraduate - will be graduating early in December - and I agree with everything said above.
The only thing I regret? That I was not in NYC and able to take on an internship through the school year, which would be extremely helpful. Those internships are slightly easier to get and will give you unparalleled experience.
However, Mizzou really does give you hands on training and I think that’s extremely important. If there’s anything I’ve done at my internships, it’s that I’ve impressed my editors with the quality of my work and how fast I turn around an assignment. And that’s something I got from being in journalism classes at Mizzou.
You've got plenty of time to decide
Landon, that is awesome to see that you are so motivated so early on in your h.s. career. When I was a sophomore, I thought I was going to be a h.s. teacher in English or History or something. I had to start off in community college because my parents didn’t let me take out any school loans. I kicked and screamed at the time, but I am so glad I did because I went through so many changes and couldn’t make up my mind on a major. So I went from wanting to major in Education (or possibly History or Psyc or Sociology) to English! Yes, English was always the subject I excelled at…
Anyhow, fast forward several years later, and with a degree in English from a non-prestigious Cal State (I took mostly classes on criticism, linguistics and literature) I still made it into publishing through lots of hard work and tenacity. The truth is, many roads can lead to this career, but I will tell ya that it is *tough* to break into and *tough* to get back into when you lose a job.
I’m totally rambling, but my best advice to give to you right now is to not make any decisions just yet. Just take classes and expose yourself to as many of your interests as possible. Take those web and graphic design classes in h.s., in an adult ed center or the local community college while you’re still in h.s. Check the Ed2010 job listings searching for freelance writers and start pitching away and getting those clips! Be open to the possiblity of starting at a community college first. At least you can take all the graphic design, layout and journalism classes you can get your hands on before declaring an official major, and have more time to develop intellectually and personally before you decide on dropping tens of thousands on a top-notch education.
Also, try calling up or emailing people in the industry, whether they’re graphic designers, creative directors, EICs or Ed Assistants and ask them what their jobs entail and how they got there. Best of luck. And if you major in Journalism, try a minor in something completely different as your area of expertise.
I’m not quite sure what to
I’m not quite sure what to make of your list. For one thing, FIT is on a vastly different level than the other options—and an Advertising and Marketing degree is not the same as a journalism degree by any stretch. On the plus side, FIT seems to have a really cool website.
Another thing: Columbia doesn’t offer an undergrad Journalism program, so you’d have to study english or something if you go there. They do have a grad school program, which i assume you reference in the number four slot, but a two-year associate degree will not suffice for admission.
So then we have Northwestern, the only school not in New York. I assume that your NYC-centricity is because you live here (and maybe even in Chelsea, because somehow FIT is in the perfect area and NYU is not?). Would you really want to move to Evanston, IL, even though you seem otherwise unwilling to leave New York? Frankly, I’ve never met a Medill grad worth her salt, and that program has been under a lot of fire lately for its crazy new dean and his random acts of plagiarism. I’d just cross this one off your list early.
So then you have: FIT, but you wouldn’t study journalism; NYU; and Columbia, where you also wouldn’t study journalism. This is not a good list. Luckily, you have two years to refine it.
Let me offer you some advice: Try to look beyond the expected schools, the places that come immediately to mind when you think “I want to be Anna Wintour” (or, as you phrase it, a Meryl Streep character.) Start looking now and find a school that has more than a reputation. People who rely on reputations are people who don’t have the capacity to make it on their own.
Don’t study journalism as an undergrad. Study graphic design or something like that—it seems like that is where your interests lie. You can pick up how to write a lede; it’s much harder to pick up how to get the most out of Photoshop.
So study design and, while you’re in school, write for the school paper. Get both editorial and graphic-based internships. Graduate with a minor in english or something. Use college to pick up skills you wouldn’t otherwise be able to acquire. Do this, and you’ll be 10 times more qualified than i was when I graduated.
Wow. Just- wow. Superiority
Wow. Just- wow. Superiority complex anyone?
And that comment about Medill was completely unfounded and unnecessary. I especially appreciated the snarky comment about Meryl Streep. Because lord knows if someone doesn’t know who Anna Wintour is, they will fail in the journalism industry.
To the OP- and this may be of a different opinion than some people, but I personally think that the location of a school is more important than your major. Especially when you’re debating between journalism and Advertising, because- (and a lot of journalism majors will gasp and scream and be horribly offended by this comment, and please take note that I mean no offense by it) advertising and journalism are very similar, and require a lot of the same courses. Most schools offering both programs won’t allow a double major because the course tracks are too similar. If you want to be a journalist, write articles, etc. then go for journalism. But if you are interested in design, fashion, writing, etc. I would probably choose a school that has an advertising program because it is a more encompassing major. Have you considered double majoring? Because with dual degrees in graphic design and Advertising, you will get a LOT of attention from potential employers. Honestly, at the end of the day, internships and experience are going to stand out a lot more than the school you went to. Another thing to keep in mind is that journalism is changing rapidly- magazines, newspapers, etc. are closing down by the minute. Dual degrees, or a degree in Advertising will make you a little more flexible, though hopefully by the time you graduate from college the world will be a better place. Good luck, and congratulations on being so motivated early on. That quality alone will help you more than any education or experience!
I’m not quite sure what to
I’m not quite sure what to make of your reply. Frankly, I don’t really think I got any advice from you other than a suggestion with a vague focus point. I’ll be applying in Fall of ‘10, so I’ve really only got a little over a year to pinpoint a ‘good’ top five. I’m from Houston, TX. and my choice of NYC is only practical (I’m assuming) if I wanted to make it anywhere in the fashion industry. And FIT is my perfect choice just because the Advertising and Marketing Communications Major’s curriculum has graphic design and journalism and even magazine journalism courses within it. It is supposed to prepare you for a career in that type of field (one of many fields, though).
The type of advice I am looking for is which college to go to. I really like graphic design, and wouldn’t mind being the Art Director of a magazine one day. But I’m also in love with writing, and editing in a more literary sense. Thus, I need a college that has a major that wouldn’t limit me in my options, but also give me the degree I need to make it to the top of the masthead. Believe you-me, if there were a magical college to where I could major in Graphic Design and minor in English or Journalism, and located hopefully in NYC or somewhere within an hour’s distance to it, sign me up a.s.a.p. But due to my possible lack of researching skills or the blatant scarce availability of colleges with those types of opportunities, I’m turning to Ed2010 to help me in my search for the best school to go to that will put me on the (correct) path to achieving my dream job.
You helped in a sense of an addition of realism to my future, but I don’t need someone to criticize what I’m doing wrong. I need someone to simply: help me.
Landonpeoples, I think your
Landonpeoples,
I think your best fit here is FIT. The major that you spoke about seems to really encompass all of your interests, and it really is wise to have an education in advertising and design in today’s state of journalism.
That said, I am not that familiar on FIT’s policies with minors. Some schools don’t even allow it. But since you have other interests, like fashion and writing, try to use your electives to take journalism classes or fashion classes. Also get experience outside of school. Intern in local mags, or fashion houses, or PR companies.
If anything, NYC is the best city for you to channel all your interests, whether through school or work experience. Like I said, through time, you’ll probably narrow it down to a discipline or two.
Best of luck to you. Hope that you get all the help you need on this site.
http://ivanaccheong.tumblr.com
Didn’t mean to come off as
Didn’t mean to come off as harsh. But honestly, when I was in high school, nobody told me a thing about where to go to school—only that the harder it was to get in, the more I should want to go there. That seems to be the party line for college counselors. My bit of advice is to ignore that, and hence, ignore the 4/5 of your list that seems predicated on reputation, but not exactly suited to what you want.
It seems like you like fashion, and have an interest in design. This is really good. My advice for college then is to major in either fashion or design, make sure you write for the school paper, get writing internships, and graduate with both experience and a specialization. There are a million kids who want to write for Vogue, but for most of them, their only qualification is that they love to shop. The second you get a degree in Fashion, you’re on top of the stack. The same goes for graphic design—there are a million kids who can play around with photoshop, but what if you’re a wiz at photoshop, and can code Flash as well? See what I’m saying?
This is an unnecessarily
This is an unnecessarily harsh reply. The OP is a high school sophomore. When I was his/her age, I knew next to nothing about how college majors worked and the differences between graduate and undergraduate programs. I did not know the names of top magazine editors. Oh, and also, I thought I wanted to be a mechanical engineer!
Anyway, to landonpeoples: You’re already ahead of the game by having an idea of what you want to do with your life, and knowing that Ed2010 exists. Did you know that you can enroll at a college without a declared major? I entered my freshman year of college undeclared. I took an introductory communications class that covered all of the majors (journalism, advertising, PR, graphic design, etc.), met with my faculty and peer advisers, and ultimately decided on magazine journalism after being in school for more than a year. Then, later on, I picked up a second major, in political science. I’d suggest going to a school that offers a lot of variety so you have the option to explore many of your interests.
Thank you very much. THIS is
Thank you very much. THIS is the type of replies I need.
P.S. You’re so right about Ed2010. When I found it, my mouth was agape. I was like, “Such a place truly does exist?!” Lol. This is probably the most helpful thing I’ve found so far.
I think FIT and NYU are
I think FIT and NYU are really good choices for what your interests are. But like mhckate said, all those interests are completely different jobs.
But you’re young so explore all of those as much as you can. You’ll probably find that you love one more than the rest with more experience.
I had my sights set on NYU since forever, but in the end it’s way too expensive, so I made the choice to do my undergrad here in Seattle.
Congratulations on yearbook! Focus on that, but see if you can get internships. If you live in Houston, definitely contact the papers and magazines there. Some will have internship programs listed on their website, but if not, it never hurts to contact them and see what their process is.
Right now, I’m 17 and a sophomore in college. I was first published in an online blog/news stream somewhere last year, so I think I’m ahead of a lot of other people. So it’s definitely doable, just make sure you don’t do too much. If yearbook is your #1 priority, then stick with it. At this point in your life, it’s better to have fewer items on your resume but excel at them.
http://ivanaccheong.tumblr.com
FIT would definitely be a
FIT would definitely be a great choice if you have a broad cross-section of interests; NYU, Columbia, and Northwestern are all great schools and it sounds like you’re pretty committed to a big city school; there are definitely advantages to being in a city. You need a 4-year degree to get into any reputable graduate program (that’s why they call it “graduate” school) so scratch that off your list for now.
I don’t know you, so I am not going to make any judgements about the likelihood of you getting into any colleges, but realize that all of these schools are incredibly competitive in admissions. It’s good to have a top 5, but devote equal airtime to your plan B. You’re a sophomore in high school, there’s no reason to limit your options this early on—and I will tell you, we have all seen the crying high school seniors who didn’t get into their dream school and hadn’t mentally prepared for that possibility, and they all end up having perfectly wonderful lives. Or if they don’t, its not because of where they went to undergrad. Anyway.
For right now, focus your energy on making the most of your experience right now—it’ll be good for your college applications, and good for you as a future editor. It’s great that you’re a yearbook editor, and I’ve never seen a magazine staff that wasn’t composed almost entirely of former yearbook editors, so excel at that, get excellent grades, study for your SATs, and start looking for internships. I had my first mag internship the summer after my sophomore year and ended up writing a column for that magazine for the next two years; the magazine was tiny and forgettable but that experience helped me start getting bigger and better jobs, so I had a lot of experience when I was up against older college students a few years later. I know you can’t wait to get to what’s next, but truly, there’s a lot you still have to do.
Also: not to be the one to burst the bubble, but there is no job at large magazines where you both actively write and design and also attend fashion weeks—those are basically the three top positions at any fashion magazine rolled into one. But hey, honestly, dream big and get a variety of experiences—life will force you to scale down and specialize soon enough. If you research top editors, the one thing they all have in common is that they have basically nothing in common—if there was a magic formula, we’d all be using it.
Thank you so much! This was
Thank you so much! This was a lot of help and you ‘hit the nail’ on some great topics.
I live in Houston, TX. so the magazine industry isn’t quite as large as NYC,
so how would I go about getting an internship writing for a local newspaper or something?
In the major newspaper here in Houston, there is an entertainment section where high schoolers
write, but I have no idea as far as getting to be publish with those kids.
Should I just e-mail the paper myself?
Landon P.
Magazines and newspapers are
Magazines and newspapers are very different in terms of their processes, so if you want to work in magazines, intern at a magazine, not a newspaper; it doesn’t matter how small. In a sense, smaller can be better for your first internship, since you’ll probably get a chance to do more work and get clips, which are published pieces for your portfolio.
You can definitely email the newspaper yourself if you really want to try and do that, but there are also plenty of Houston-based lifestyle magazines which I’m sure accept interns (Houston Lifestyles, RSVP713, Houston Style Magazine, and then I found a whole bunch more with this search: http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=houston+magazine&…) and that will give you more of a chance to see the design side of things and get a better sense of what magazines are like. You should look in the front of the magazine on the masthead, where they list all the staff, and email the managing editor or else call the main number and ask who handles hiring for internships. Be persistent about seeking out new magazines and making contact, and you may even find something for this summer.