…I know I am not the only one on here. I have the same problem of NOT receiving college credit.
I have a part time job which leaves me plenty of time for an Internship here in NYC.
I could even do 4 days a week. My favorite Magazines are InStyle, Marie Claire, Cosmopolitan and Harpers Bazaar.
They all must have my resume already which is kind of good, means I am already experienced in writing, fashion, film and music.
So does anybody have an idea what I can do? Should I change up my resume or go to some parties and do the annoying networking thing? Your ideas and suggestions would be highly appreciated!
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Networking really worked for me!
I moved to NY with 1 contact (a former CN editor who lives in CA). Through her I got an internship, and because of who got to know while at this internship, I met writers at different pubs, I’ve got a job at Hearst. I’ve been here for 3 months, and before this I had NO experience (but I did have talent and passion).
The point I’d like to make is this: networking events are not the only way to network—I’ve only been to one, and I thought it was weird. I talked to anyone and everyone about what I came out here to do, and through my church alone I met people in TV writing, news writing, magazine writing, advertising, fashion design, broadway performers… networking works better when you are honestly trying to form relationships with people. Maybe you will have to start out by networking events, but once you get in you’ll have more opportunities to make more relationships!
I hope this helps :-)
Wow...
With an attitude like this, it’s no wonder you can’t find an internship.
For your information, in case you want to know:
I successfully completed 5 internships
in Film, Music and Journalism already.
I’ve got all of them without networking.
with 5 internships under
with 5 internships under your belt, why aren’t you looking for a job? And using contacts you made from those internships (hello networking)?
an editorial internship in NY is what I still have to do.
a Newspaper would be cool too. Maybe in Spring.
thanks for your answers
everybody! :)
For the record
Networking is not just “butt kissing.” It’s actually really important because it helps get your name out. Whether you’re talented or not, it won’t help if no one knows your name. Let’s face it. The magazine industry has A LOT to do with who you know. Also you build relationships with so many different people and have the opportunity to learn a lot. I got my first national internship through networking (and I worked hard while I was there).
Also it doesn’t help to argue with people on the site. For one, times are really crappy for the magazine industry, so it’s more important than ever to help one another. Second, you never know if that other person could be on the hiring side or have a good tip for you. Why burn bridges unnecessarily?
Good luck with the search and apply everywhere. All internships are good experience.
Thank you nice person, I will do that.
And for the other question, I started this post in the hope of getting some inspirational ideas.
I’m not really sure what
I’m not really sure what the point of your post is. You are just one of thousands that wants to intern at a “big NY magazine.” You say “they all must have my resume already” which is really unclear. I’m not sure if you mean that those mags have your resume because you’ve submitted it, or for some other reason.
Regardless, what you can do is the same thing that anyone else job hunting must do: put yourself out there, network, send your resume & pitches to editors, etc. There are tons of articles and posts all over this site that you can use to help you…it just seems like you started this thread and then became hostile and defensive without doing any of your own research or putting in any kind of effort.
wow! amazonegirl23, you are
wow! amazonegirl23, you are really clueless and rude.
the people who respond on this site are your allies and are trying to help. there is no reason to get nasty. you clearly have no understanding of this industry, so why not get a little advice from people who know a little more than you?
it’s not about “butt kissing”. it’s about fitting in and getting along with people which i can see is not your strong suit. people want to hire other people who are friendly, fun, and easy to get along with. skills are important, but there are tons of qualified candidates for editorial jobs, so being cool and sweet is very key to success.
you might want to work on your attitude and then give it another shot. when i read someone’s cover letter or interview a candidate, i can tell right away if they have a crappy entitled attitude and i throw their resume out immediately. what’s the point? we are all your potential colleagues, so just chill out and take advice like an adult.
my resume is strong already. thank you.
I do work professionally and treat other people with respect.
People who jump right into my topic to give me a rude comment,
is something I don’t need.
Every other person said something with value. Which she obviously
could not. She thinks cause she is at Conde Nast now (wow!)
she can just look down to everybody else. She exploded, once I
made this Jersey comment, now how professional is that. kids.
Not to attack you
Not to attack you personally, but your “kids” comment is contradicting your argument. You’re saying that JenFromJersey has an attitude that looks down on others just because she works at CN. When you say “kids,” you’re acting the same. Like she doesn’t know what she’s talking about, when in fact, you’re trying to defend that she’s saying the same thing to you.
Now… all those matters aside, I’ve said it before in this thread and I’ll say it again. Networking is important. Like you said, talent and interview skills matter also (more, actually). But you can’t dismiss networking and call it annoying. It’s not just a method to build contacts, essentially. With networking, you learn how to approach people AND keep good relationships with them, which as another poster said, is very important in the publishing world (with other editors, photographers, publishers, models, etc.).
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WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
How did I “explode?” I told you that networking is absolutely essential to get ahead in your career, and something you’re going to have to get used to. Anybody who knows even just a little about the publishing world would agree with that. I said nothing different than anyone else.
And, for the record, I mentioned Conde Nast to let you know that there ARE ways to land editorial internships at the major companies without currently being enrolled in college. Why should I “look down” on anybody else…I’m interning for free, just like a lot of others here. I’ve also worked my ass off to get to where I am now, and don’t take kindly to people who show up on a message board looking to get into magazines and ask if they need to “go to some parties and do the annoying networking thing.”
Seriously. Take the advice of the other poster and work on your attitude. There are thousands of people vying for a limited number of internships, and a being friendly can go a long way.
Re: networking
You may find it annoying, but it’s a vital professional skill, not just in landing you a job but in making sure you can DO your job. Building relationships with freelancers, photographers, PR reps, experts, etc., is a big part of working in publishing, so no matter how annoying you find it, you better make sure you’re good at it.
I know that wasn’t the point of your post, but the reason so many of us jumped on it is that it’s really naive of you to assume that this is an aspect of your job search that you can just dismiss. Everyone talks about networking and building their network for a good reason.
I personally can’t speak to getting around the credit thing after graduating—there may not be a way to get around it at the big companies, but smaller companies often won’t require it if you talk to them about it.
Thanks for the reply,
but if you think about it, it is possible that a person is getting an internship/job cause he/she knows how to “butt-kiss” people
doesn’t have anything to do with skills.
I personally experienced that to, I started an internship at the same time as 3 other interns.
The one who didn’t do anything and was trying to boss us other interns around actually went up in the company cause he was ssooo
sweet with the big boss. It was actually a guy. Since he had a very huge ego I think he clashed
with the BIG BOSS sooner or later and highly doubt, that he is at this company as we speak.
So even if it sounds a little naive or idealistic I would prefer to be picked cause of my skills, ambitions and personality over simple “butt-kissing” without having any talent any day!
I think you've missed my point
I was saying that regardless of whether or not you kiss anyone’s butt in the hiring process, networking is a life skill, not just a job-searching skill. I’m working full-time as an editor, not interning anymore, and when you interview for jobs (not internships) hiring editors are more interested in you if you can demonstrate a good network of industry contacts. It also leaves you with more options if you decide to move into another field—I know at least as many PR professionals who I could apply to for work as I do editors.
You may be the best, most skilled intern on the block, but adjust your attitude. If networking got your fellow intern hired and he was incompetent, imagine what the combination of networking and skills could do for you. It’s not an either/or choice here—you can have people skills as well as professional skills. It doesn’t sound “a little naive,” it sounds REALLY naive, and it’s not an outlook that is going to broaden your options in the end.
You guys, she’s asking
You guys, she’s asking about internship, not job opportunities. I’m predicting that with the hiring freeze, interns are becoming more and more necessary/sought after because actual staff positions are being cut. In that sense it’s probably not harder to get an internship than before. And I don’t think you *need* networking to get an internship at a top place. Just a great resume, ability to write a cover letter and interview, etc. One or two contacts obviously wouldn’t hurt but I’ve heard of a lot of people (and I myself have) nice internships w/out having to schmooze. Now, once you’re looking for a paid position…
You can send out resumes 'til you're blue in the face...
But it’s the “annoying networking thing” that will land you an internship/job. Get used to it.
Jen your from Jersey...
what do you know?!? Move to NYC and tell me again.
grow up. (also, it's "Jen, you'RE from Jersey")
Clearly a lot more than you, seeing as how I’ve held six internships at awesome magazines, tons of freelance writing gigs, and a staff job. Oh, and BTW, my last three internships were completed post-grad and not for credit, and I’m currently at Conde Nast. So, I apparently know something you don’t. I really don’t see what my location has to do with it…but whatever you say.
Also, in response to your other posting above - you seriously have a LOT to learn if you want to continue thinking that you’re going to get anywhere in this business based on your “talent” alone. Wake up, sweetie - it’s not the way the world works. You’ll learn.
Harper’s Bazaar is my
Harper’s Bazaar is my dream mag to work for, but I have a long way to get there!
As you can probably see from recent board posts, pubs are at a hiring freeze right now. Some say that it will end once January comes, but that differs from one company to another.
Others will have better advice than me on what you should do, but I wanted to ask: do you really not like to network? Because as far as I know, networking is one of the most important things to do in this business.
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