WHO WRITES THESE "ASK ED" ADVICE COLUMNS?!

I’m sorry if I will hurt anyone’s feelings by saying this, but that Ed advice column is TERRIBLE. Most of the time the information is unsearched and inaccurate, proving that they must be written by some EA somewhere that thinks they know the business well enough to advise others on it. Just because you landed a job at a major magazine as an EA, Mr. Ed, does NOT make you qualified to give other struggling writers advice, especially poorly reported and unresearched advice!

Perhaps it seems that Ed2010 would be best suited if a bonafide HR expert (who could indeed remain anonymous) were to write those “helpful” Ask Ed columns. At this rate, no one is going to get valuable help and advice from some mystery person in the industry who has perhaps never faced the situations first-hand that young journos are asking about.

Does ANYONE understand where i’m coming from?!?!

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Ed, I’m with you all the way. Perhaps your dissenters and agreers alike are playing identity politics with this one; it’s clearly a touchy subject for many. As an undergrad-grad who went directly into real-world experience, I don’t regret the decision one bit. Given the current slump, however, I was tempted to apply to grad school, but thanks to your post I got just enough of a pick-me-up to get back on the job hunt. Keep up the posts, you’re awesome.

From my personal experience...

As far as internships go, they’re a great way to learn pretty much everything you need to know about publishing and editorial. My publisher always jokes that I’ve learned so much at my current internship that I could easily start my own magazine. I recommend an internship at a smaller, local magazine if you really want to learn and be published. The bigger, “million-dollar” companies have lots of help and don’t really challenge their interns - you mostly just end up getting coffee or making copies for them. However, you can get lots of experience at a smaller publication b/c they may have a smaller staff and really need an intern’s help. That’s basically what it’s like at the local LA mag I intern at.
I know a lot of people are not happy to work for free, but you need to realize how competitive this industry is and that you really have to suffer in the beginning if you want to make it in the end. However, as an intern, you should really know your worth - don’t let them take advantage of you by running pointless errands all day long and never getting to work for the creative side of the magazine. The beauty of being an intern is that you can quit at any time without notice =) And if you think that you can be replaced by someone else, think again. Our magazine has gone through at least 10 interns in just a few months and a lot of them were extremely unprofessional and just plain lazy. We currently have an intern that the editor is seriously thinking of “firing.”

Bottom line: Find a good internship at a smaller magazine, absorb everything like a sponge, make your own contacts, impress your bosses with your work ethic and when you leave utilize your newfound knowledge and personal contacts as you hunt for that dream job. From my personal experience, this is the best advice I can give. =)

I think grad school is

I think grad school is discouraged because you’re not going to get a good ROI if you plan to be in the publishing industry. I have to agree. Most masters degree programs are not funded, so why go into thousands of dollars of debt just to come out and get an entry level position where you won’t earn enough to pay off your undergrad and graduate school loans? You have to look at it from that perspective. It’s not like a law degree where you NEED it for the expertise. You really don’t have to go to school at all to learn the skills for this industry.

Shame on Ed's editors

I find it interesting that on the opening page their is the question, “Where Have All the Interns Gone?”

The reason I view this as interesting is the fact that recently there was a post that suggested it is a mistake to attend graduate school if one is pursuing a career with the magazines. I believe this type of advice supports what I believe, as well as many others, is that they want these young, fresh-out-of-under-grad people whom they could easily exploit.

I think students are coming to their senses and thinking of more ways to thrive in the industry besides working for companies that can definitely at least pay minimum wage. And it is not that companies are losing money and that’s why they have to cut back, it is because they are not making as much of a profit as they would like, which is a much different factor than losing money.

I don’t blame people for rethinking internships and working for million dollar companies for free. I mean it is ridiculous and just because it is a standard in the industry does not make it right. They were able to milk it for so long because people were desperate to get into the industry and would do whatever to get in. Now people realize there are options, like freelancing, styling, and blogging to build clips and their own relevance in the industry.

It just goes to show you what little influence editors truly have on the business side of fashion when they encourage young people to not go to graduate school but rather exploit their talents for free. And why? Because that’s how they did it 20 years ago, or 10 years ago, or 5 years ago.

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Did you even read the whole article? I think it hit on exactly what you were saying: That interns aren’t willing to take on unpaid opps this semester, so that’s why editors don’t have interns. Why do you think Ed should be shamed for reporting on this trend? It wasn’t like the article said, “Interns: Don’t you know you need to work for free? Get back here this instant!”

Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t really see the connection between this story and your problem with Ed not recommending grad school.

Did you read to the end of the article? This is what it said ...

ED Wrote:
“No matter what the reason, one thing is clear: If you’ve been holding off on applying for an internship, there’s no better time than the present.”

Translation:
Hurry young under grads run to the nearest million dollar corporate magazine company and sign up to get an UNPAID internship. And while you are at it, please get me a cup of coffee and pick up my dry cleaning. Isn’t this such a rewarding experience for you?

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…if you’ve been having trouble getting an internship in the past and really want one, this semester could be your year!

Ed seems more like a service for college students and lower-level editors than the kind of people you think he’s serving, so I really don’t think your translation is what the writer meant at all.

i think

that in general, the ed advice columns are fantastic. i’m a huge fan. i will say that the recent grad school post (while the overall premise may be correct— you don’t need to go to graduate school to make it in magazines) did disappoint. Also, I’m going to assume that column is responsible for SavvyCityGal’s thread.

Here’s why: the amount of blanket statements in the column, unnecessary vehemence, and outrageous judgement calls (“rich people,” “arrogant grad school grads,” ect.) is obtuse. It sounded as though the writer was trying to be entertaining by being painfully “honest,” but it came across as snarky. i’m not suprised that the writer did not go to graduate school or that he or she does not work at any of the reputable publications they listed as places where it may work to your advantage to have one: the new yorker, atlantic, and so forth.

if i want to get a job at teen vogue or cosmo, duly noted. experience in the industry is important. but what if i do want to work at the new yorker down the line? what if i did get internship experience while in grad school and it wasn’t a “waste of time”—i don’t understand where the assumption comes from that you can’t do both? what if i had a great internship under my belt during undergrad, but felt like i didn’t have a solid education in journalism? what if i don’t think i’m a snob? what if i don’t think that any of the people i went to graduate school with, or who i work with now (and half of the people at the magazine i currently work at did go to graduate school), are?

dear ed, a good percentage of of the people that read this blog—that are loyal fans— went to graduate school. know your audience. expect discontent.

last, there was one comment that really irked me: is grad school really just for rich people? because i would say that the entire magazine industry is for those that have the opportunity to do non-paying internships—even after they graduate—without pay.

ed columns should contain balanced opinions rather than snarky,”candid,” “clever” rants that sound more like a new york magazine run down of the previous night’s gossip girl than solid advice. as a reader, i didn’t take that column seriously when i read it for the sole reason that it sounded like it came from a smart alec editor who didn’t go to grad school. here’s a creative way to re-do that column: why don’t you include the opinion of someone who did go to graduate school alongside it?

or did no one at ed go?

if so, that would explain the column. and i appreciate your argument but i’ll politely agree to disagree and continue to enjoy all the other things that I love so much about Ed.

as to the other commenters on this thread re: the original comment, if ed is going to take such a vehement stance against something, you should expect people to post such vehement responses to it.

I am on my third post-grad internship.

One was paid (minimum wage), the other two are not. I’m not rich, nor are my parents, by any means.

It’s called freelance.

I don’t think this industry is for people who “have the opportunity to do non-paying internships”…it’s for people who want it bad enough to do whatever it takes.

For what it's worth...

For what it’s worth, I did go to grad school. (And I’m not rich. I went to a state school!)

I would also advise most people against going to grad school, but it was the right thing for me.

I’m really saddened that

I’m really saddened that you feel that way, and I’d also love to hear more of your thoughts on what makes it so offensive to you. I’ve been a huge fan of Ed for the past five years, and right now, as a mid-level editor at a major NYC mag, I really do think the advice is spot-on. And remember, this is just an opinion.

Are you upset about the grad school advice? Just asking because that’s the one that’s up there now.

Have to disagree as well

I feel like the columns tend to be, if anything, a regurgitation of the most frequently addressed issues on the comment board. Yes, they’re written as if they’re one person’s opinion, but I don’t think that’s actually the case. And I highly doubt the senior people at Ed2010 have spend years of their lives working on this site for no pay to let some random EA dictate the message they’re trying to send. I don’t find all of them useful, but I can’t recall ever reading one I thought was flat-out wrong about something.

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I always figured that the Ask Ed columns were written by (or at least vetted by) Ed’s founder/president. The advice always seems dead-on to me. Just because you didn’t like the advice you read doesn’t mean it’s not true. Do you have specific examples of columns you thought were off-base?

Please clarify.

I’m also confused as to why you’ve got it in for the columns. The latest one - it addresses grad school - is consistent with everything I’ve ever heard. So, as Big Tuna suggested, a few examples would help your case. I’m not trying to disagree with you, I just want to understand better.
My gripe is that the questions are very basic and eternally recycled. We ask so many questions on this board that there’s no reason for a dearth of Ask Ed questions.

No

I don’t understand where you’re coming from because you failed to offer any concrete examples of why you think the Ask Ed column is so terrible.

I just skimmed the last several columns and I think the opposite, honestly…

Oh, please! YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!

It simply does not seem plausible that a senior Ed2010 editor somewhere is sitting around writing these Ask Ed columns. THEY HAVE REAL WORK TO DO!

My main premise is that the Ask ED columns never actually quote anyone or refer to any hard facts (making them less like columns and more like one person’s point-of-view.) I’m sure some information in them are accurate, but based on what facts? We never see proof of that, so some freshman journalism student out there who is hungry to be in this industry is reading this column and taking it as gospel…sad story, people.

I happen to enjoy the Ed columns for the snarky feedback provided. But I can’t actually turn a blind eye to a lack of journalistic reporting, the very thing that makes a column viable in the first place. This seems to give all the more credence to the idea that an entry-level EA wrote these columns, not some experienced editor who would know better.

And no, i’m not just bitter about the most recent grad school column (which did leave something to be desired). I have read other columns that have led to this rant, and I simply feel it right to demand more; more of the Ask ED columns, more of its readers to critically examine what is written in these columns. They seem to be very one-sided sometimes (the result of lack of research, perhaps?), and that’s a no-go…

Sorry, but I just need to read something more substantive. And nope, I didn’t go to grad school either. And no, i’m not some bitter EA (i’ve got a great, non-entry-level job, by the way.) I just want the standard of journalism we all hope to one day achieve to be upheld at ED2010, one of the many places where it should be.

You've got to be kidding all of us

For someone who is touting the importance of journalistic reporting, you seem to lack the common knowledge that many journalism students acquire during freshman year: know your audience and reflect a consistent tone/voice for it in your product. The reason that these columns aren’t quoting any particular expert or report is clearly because the tone of the article isn’t intended as a stuffy OpEd column. You should note, instead, that the Web site is great at consistency—seen through its tone and the issues it addresses that those of us seeking a journalism career desire.

Although these columns are written by “Ed”, users can assume that they are written by some of the same people who maintain this Web site, localizing extensive journalism information that has been useful to more people than not.

Re: Grad school article, I think it’s got more substance than a lot of the others. It’s longer and ACCURATE. I have had countless editors, professors and experienced journalism professionals explain to myself and my peers the exact same sentiment about attending graduate school.

What is most important to address to this particular rant is that it is simply unnecessary. Advice columns are rarely written as “critical” journalism and AskEd is no exception. Dear Abby doesn’t really reference a journal report when dishing advice on how to get along with your mother-in-law.

I’ve had tons of

I’ve had tons of informational interviews, sat in on some great mediabistro and ed panels, and the things I read on ed2010 more or less mirror everything else I’ve heard.

and yeah, senior ed editors are busy but the whole reason they made this site is to MAKE TIME for people like us. (and they really have.)

Ed here ...

It’s exciting to see so much passion about this topic and the Ask Ed columns in general.

Summer15 pretty much said everything I have to say in her/his last post (love the part about Dear Abby), but I do want to clarify one thing: All of Ed’s advice columns are written by a senior-level editor and then vetted by the founder and president of Ed2010. Oftentimes Ed does consult outside resources, including HR reps at the major NYC publishing companies, if he’s not sure about an answer.

A couple of you commented that the Ask Ed columns are getting too standard. To that, I ask that you post some new ones that are more exciting and different. Ed is psyched to answer them. Just send them to AskEd@ed2010.com

My final comment is in response to ladclimb’s message. Because there is so much controversy about this topic we’ve decided to do an Ed Survey to see how many Edsters out there have gone to graduate school in journalism and how many are seriously considering it. And if they think it helped them land their first jobs. It’d be interesting to know. So watch the site and newsletter next week for a chance to take that survey and weigh in! Then we’ll run a story with the results the following week.

Thanks for reading. I won’t be commenting again on this board about this topic. But please, feel free to email me anytime at Ed@ed2010.com or AskEd@ed2010.com. I’m here to help. (Now, back to reading those Finals …)

Cheers, Ed