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I’m getting ready to move to New York City in November of 2008. I’m graduating tomorrow with my AA in communications and want to transfer schools come this spring (I’m going to major in advertising and marketing. I’m currently searching for schools in the tri-state area but cost, education, and resource are my main concerns. I was recently accepted into St John’s University and Pace but even with the help of scholarships - I can’t afford it. Most of the schools in the city are either private or expensive. The Cuny schools either don’t have the major that i’m looking for or aren’t the best schools to attend for higher education. I’ve found a smaller school in Brooklyn called St Francis college that’s smaller, have the same programs and is cheaper.
Would it be a wise choice to take out the massive student loans and attend the bigger named schools or go with the smaller school that offers the same - even more extensive programs and is cheaper?
I’m wondering if the school(s) you attend make or break you in the Advertising/ Marketing industry? Do employers judge you based upon the school(s) you attend?
PLEASE HELP ME DECIDE —— IT’S STRESSING ME OUT !!!!
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I’m curious - what are you looking to do with your advertising/marketing degree? The importance of a school depends on the career you want to pursue. In some cases, a traditional four-year school might not even be the right place for you. I used to think I wanted to be an ad copywriter, and I discovered that the best place for aspiring ad creatives is a specialized ad school, not a traditional university. On the flipside, if you want to work as an AE, the reputation of your school’s business courses is important. But if you’re looking to go into ad sales, your school’s name is pretty irrelevant.
I agree with the general
I agree with the general concensus that it’s what you do with your education that counts. That said, a school that has a good journalism/communications program will get you places sometimes because it’s likely that they’re known for their programs and your editors may have attanded, or know people who did. I went to a school in Connecticut that had a great communications department, which played a part in my landing a freelance position.
I do have to say, my brother goes to St. John’s and loves it. He’s a communications major and they also have a good media department. He’s going to their audio school in the city next semester. It is pricy but you have to really look closely at the programs all of the schools have and talk to the career center at each and figure out which is right for you. Your education is something no one can take from you. Do your research and make the best possible decision.
just to throw something else out there...
I went to an Ivy League school and chose that school because I wanted a top education. I didn’t know what I wanted to do career-wise when I applied for college, so I was looking for a premier academic education rather than career training. I will never for one second regret my decision, as it’s given me a huge slew of contacts and left me equipped with everything I hope for. That said, it’s worth considering what the career center at your school can do for you if you’re looking for a career-specific education. The one flaw I can find in my school is that their career center had zero information for anything other than finance/consulting, which left me in the dark for a lot of different things. I was left to fend for myself, and though the title of your school gives you a push, the guidance of a career counselor can be equally important. Without a strong career center, you’ll have to put a lot more work into understanding the fundamentals of the industry and how to get into it. Just a thought!
PS. Don’t trust the school’s information. Go directly to the students and see how they feel about this. Because if you go to my school’s career center website, you’d have no idea how badly they’re behind when it comes to media!
Oh and in regards as to
Oh and in regards as to whether a brand name school counts..it does in my experience. Most of the interns I’ve worked with at larger titles come from name brand schools and some of them don’t even have much experience. If your school is known for something like the journalism department or business school and that is the industry you’re applying for an internship they will probably ask you about the program in your interview and assume you have better training than most. On my first day an editor mentioned how all the interns came from great schools and even knew which of the schools were specifically known for journalism.
I read somewhere that a survey was done where business employers were interviewed and asked to list the top schools they would hire from in a specific order and Harvard was number one despite the fact that Yale (at the time) was ranked the top Business school. The alumni and prestige associated with Harvard moved it to the top of the list. It sucks but thats how most industries are. I think if you gain a lot of experience and network you will be able to do well at any school but you would really have to network well to “compensate.”
You right, but getting into
You right, but getting into a top ranked schools is really difficult. I am planning to go for online business administration degree with online social work degrees.. do you have any suggestion ?
Maybe you should consider Howard...
Well if you don’t mind DC (which is great for newspapers and ad agencies, so so for regional mags) you should consider Howard University. I know its a Historically Black University and if you are not a “minority” or even not Black you probably would never consider it but because of their large endowment they are ranked (2nd?) in the top value schools for their less expensive tuition and in the top 100 for academics in general.
Their journalism department/School of Communications has been ranked pretty well and received quite a few awards so perhaps you should consider it an option. The campus has a 10% non-black population (basically the reverse of most TWI/schools in the tri-state area) and I believe there are minority(for non-black students) scholarships and such despite the low cost of tuition (tuition did recently increase though $10-12,000 I think). HU is home to the only student run nat’l magazine conference and has one of the largest communications job fairs in the area and if you’re going for marketing rather than communications, Howard’s business school is ranked incredibly high by Businessweekers and the such which coincidently is why a lot of “non-black” students are interested in Howard.
Most undergrads are aprehensive about applying but the more mature? grad students have said Howard was a no brainer and that they could careless about the racial make-up so perhaps you should look into it. Its not that easy to get into though so I hope you’ve been keeping your grades up. Good luck! and FYI my friend went to Pace and if you’re going for Journalism the alumni support/network is not so good but business majors find themselves at home.
school names are meaningless
i went to a state school not known for journalism and i am now a successful editor. i also have friend’s who went to columbia and nyu and are still struggling. it’s all about what you make of your education and how determined you are. school names are absolutely meaningless. the only thing they may do for you is set you up with a good internship, but heck you can do that yourself by emailing companies you want to intern for and making it happen yourself. i have had a ton of interns from nyu, parsons, new school, etc and they are usually spoiled kids with a sense of entitlement, so i would much rather hire someone from a small school i have never heard of. i agree that pace or st johns are the same level as st francis or cuny. i you want to pay more for a name, pay for a real name, but it’s just going to leave you with a bunch of debt and the same list of jobs that everyone else is applying to. my advice is to choose the best program for you and really dive in and make the most of it.
Thank you
I agree with Stephenie school names are pointless. Schools are not the things that drive you to a career the only person who can do that is yourself. So depending on the work you do and then time you put into it you can make it just fine.
Sure sometimes you will see a bias with school names, but if you go to a school that is not as well known all you have to do is prove yourself. Show them that you are worth way more than that girl with the Ivy degree. Also, always be attentive and courteous when interning it goes a long way….something that has taken me a loooong time to learn. What can I say I was one of the girls that was bitter that I was working for free….but now I’m a lot better off and way more grateful than you could imagine.
I agree with mimi. I went to
I agree with mimi. I went to a school virtually no one has heard of and just finished an internship at one of the top media companies in New York. It’s all about what YOU make of your education.
I am probably going to get a
I am probably going to get a lot of hate for this comment, but the fact is, if you’re dealing with someone who really cares about the brand name of a school, neither St. John’s or Pace is going to attract their notice any more than St. Francis would. They’re certainly fine schools, especially Pace if you’re getting a degree that has a creative component, but they’re not Yale or NYU or one of the upscale liberal arts colleges that really attract attention from someone who is a snob about that kind of thing—and if the person to whom you’re applying is someone who didn’t grow up in New York, they likely have not heard of any of them.
My advice would be to go to the school that offers you the best internship or work/study program and seems like they have the most comprehensive career help for your chosen field. I am of the opinion that while schooling can be really important if you’re on a certain level, you can compensate for by doing tons of real work. Someone in advertising is going to be as attracted to a resume that has “St. Francis” and “Saatchi & Saatchi” as they will be to a resume that has “Princeton” and “student newspaper” on it. And if your school has a good network of contacts to get you internships, it’s likely that they have a good alumnae network that you’ll be able to plug into as well. You’ll have a big advantage just by being in New York and being able to intern all year round—as long as St. Francis lets you do that, you’ll be just as well off going there as anywhere else.
No, I TOTALLY Agree with mhckate
I think your best option would be to go to the best school that will offer you the experience ad education you’re looking for, despite the cost. Yes, student loans suck, but going to the right school can help a lot. Let’s just say that I went to one of the nation’s top journalism schools (which I did), and sure enough, more than HALF my bosses got their undergrad and/or Masters degrees from my school. So, it is pretty evident that, while I was very qualified, I landed a job thanks to the name of my school.
Also, determine your dream place to work in the Advertising/Marketing field and research where their account managers went to school. That might give you a hint as to where these companies recruit from.