What does it take to get into CN?

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matt, the book is good. Don’t be discouraged by that. It really is an excellent portfolio piece. And bringing something like that into an interview is encouraged, absolutely! Honestly what you really need is one internship to set you apart. Do something short and unpaid, and I promise you will have so much success with future endeavors. Then, once you have something a little more substantial on your resume, people will call you in for interviews. That is when you bring the book. I think that you’ve done some good work, and you are impressively involved in things. It just takes a little grunt work-but it pays off. I myself have a design portfolio that I always bring into interviews. For the most part, they look at it and ask lots of questions about it. I’ve only had one interview where they didn’t seem interested in it, so they just glanced. But sending a dramatic resume looks like youre trying to hard. Bringing something in when they’ve already expressed interest is not.
Good luck, and I’m sure you’ll find something to do this summer. Isn’t there a newspaper near you? Like a San Jose chronicle or something ( I know nothing about California, sorry). They always have internships, and that stuff looks great on your resume.

Ok, the very last comment on this page by BindyX0X0 seemed to recap my comments in a perspective I wasn’t seeing (or meaning to intend). I’m going to summarize what I’ve learned from this forum to stop the repetitive pounding on my poor little ball of passion. ;-)

The question was: What does it take to get into Conde Nast? (qualifications)
1) Prior internship experience. I had NOO idea that you had to have internship experience to get an internship. FutureEIC360, NeoRealist, and Chicagojules have all had prestigious internships already so that was a good example.

2) GPA, maybe not the most important factor, but for Conde Nast the mix of a prestigious school, good GPA, plus internships is good frosting on the cake. I can imagine that a State University vs. a prestigious school is already a tough disadvantage.

3) Connections on the inside. Knowing someone that works for Conde Nast to give you a referral pulls you out of the 5,000 online entries quicker than a T1 connection.

I already know that I lost. I know I did stuff wrong. I know the book didn’t work. I didn’t put it up so people could say “wow I can’t believe you didn’t get in.” Comments were very blunt at first, but I felt they were written fairly which lead to my “WOW” comment when I said THANK YOU! For some reason the tone seemed to change after that and turned from constructive criticism to just criticism (when all I asked was what does it take). That’s what lead to my “umm mommie!” comment. She still made good points (which I conceded to), but calling me sweetie sounded like “oh how cute you tried.” I felt that was demeaning. I can accept that people commenting here are my competition, that harsh tone is the tone of the industry and that posting a resume and resume book like I did wouldn’t get anything other than tough criticism. I’ve read past the undertone that I didn’t feel was necessary, and here’s what I’ve got about my application.

RESUME: the normal one
1) Succinct! It should be to the point and all of that stupid information about what I did for school publications was just stupid.
2) Newest information first. I didn’t have anything to write about being the EIC of my newest mag, so I put it last. Wrong choice.
3) Be specific with what I’m applying for. Well, I didn’t know what kind of internship I was applying for, and still don’t, but the objective still wasn’t specific enough.
4) Tone: “walk the walk” sounds stupid. The beginning of “pretentiousness” emerges.

RESUME: the book
1) In general, it’s a bad idea to have it because no editor has the time to read it. I hoped that because it was designed nice enough, and the text was written to “breeze through it” that it would be ok, but apparently not.

2) Tone: Not just because it was written in third person, but the general tone was pretentious. It’s definitely impossible to read the book and argue that it’s anything but. I did it on purpose because I felt Conde Nast was competitive, but since I’m missing the most important qualification (prior internship), it’s all a bunch of hot air. If I knew internships were so important, I definitely wouldn’t have written it that way.

3) Over designed? I think the “define substance” theme puts it over, but if a resume book were appropriate it might be okay. But it’s not a design application, so it’s over designed.

As far as choosing something to master in, I’ll probably choose one day but I’m not ready yet. I’m aggressively pursuing all three and don’t feel that’s been a bad thing, except that I’ve done so by working on school publications instead of getting internships.

If I knew 4 years ago that internships were so much more valuable than working on student publications, I still wouldn’t have changed anything that I’ve done. I love working on student magazines and it’s the most rewarding thing in my life so I guess it’s a sacrifice to getting into real magazines later, but I’m okay with that.

CAN I PLEASE AT LEAST BRING THE RESUME BOOK TO AN INTERVIEW? Just so they can breeze through it really quickly? Please? lol! I really only meant for it to be breezed through so maybe if I hand it to them they won’t catch onto the pretentious part and will be like “cool” and hand it back. Maybe? I still had fun making it if nothing else…

I’m going to apply to small local internships too. My plan is to start small (like everyone has suggested) and work my way up. Then when I hit the top, I’m going to come back down and start my own magazines (maybe after 10 years). I definitely never thought I was good enough for an actual job at Conde Nast, but figured the internship would be more at my level because it’s for college students.

Thanks again for everyone’s input. Sorry if I sounded stuck in my ways. I do have a lot of confidence, but I’ve never felt I was perfect or beyond improvement which is why I started this. I do recommend that people be less abrasive if someone posts their resume in the future. This could be a really valuable website if everyone could get 30+ comments on their resume, but I imagine most people would be reluctant to put their resumes up to be judged after seeing some of the comments I’ve gotten (even if they too think that I’m cocky and deserve it).

If I’ve left anything out though, then keep the comments coming.
-Matt

Yuck! You’re arguing! You’re arguing with people who have more experience and insight than you do. You sound like you are very stuck in your ways. If hiring editors are saying its too much than just listen. Nobody said it’s too much as in 20 clips as opposed to 3, its too much as in too much pretentious, full of it,etcness which makes the application seem tongue in cheek.

Unabridged version?!? Are you kidding me? Plain and simple college publications aren’t real experience. That review that you thought was awesome is sub par in real magazines and you won’t know this until you actually intern at one. Go intern at as many places as you can. You are not too good for anything. You are obviously subject to the mentality of the “microwave generation” who think if they work for one week they should suddenly become VP. You need to put in work to get rewards—real work. That means starting your campus magazine so you can get the internship at the regional magazine so you can get the internship at the small national and then maybe, just maybe a CN internship. The road from point A to dream is a long one with no shortcuts. And FYI Hearst and Time Inc are pretty awesome too…

Also, while having varied interests is good, you need to make it clear what you really want to do and become an expert in that field. You can’t be a jack of all trades and a master of none. When applying select editorial instead of five different departments if thats what you want to do and then attach your 3 best clips, fluff excluded. Save the fluff for small talk in the interview. I really don’t care to put my resume on here even though it could use a critic or two and I don’t really want my business on the street but I know it shows that I value internships as well as campus publications and has caught the eye of a few CN editors. I urge you to take into consideration the advice of your peers and experienced editors. If 30 people say one thing and you say another..odds are that 30 may be right.

“Good things come to those who wait but only the things left by those who hustle”

Matt, look at all of the negative comments that you’ve received about your resume book. That should be enough to convince you that it’s not the “right” way to go about it, but all of your comments are very defensive of your method. You’re not going to change the industry. No one is going to be impressed by that book unless, of course, you are going for design. An editor will be annoyed. I won’t even read lengthy cover letters; do you honestly think someone is going to click through that whole book?

You need work experience. People who get accepted to the Conde Nast program have prior internship experience. Yes, you’re involved with college stuff, but that doesn’t mean much to an editor. We want to see that you have actually worked at a magazine. Get a local internship. Your attitude is appalling, to be frank. You don’t want to intern during the school year because it’d be “hell”? Do you have any idea how many students are intering year-round? THOSE are the people who will get hired. If you have to, cut back on your campus involvement and focus on REAL work experience. If I were choosing between a candidate with a ton of campus experience versus one with a ton of internships, I’d go with the one with the internships.

Its true that you have had a lot of experience in various fields which can be of benefit to a magazine when interning but you also NEED to be more specific as to where you want to be placed. Fashion department, fashion features, art or beauty!

When I interned at Vogue in London, I was actually listed as a sittings editor for a shoot in their November issue and have been listed as fashion assistant in Tatler, Harpers, etc. which has been great as I have added all of these to my book to show my work! It is harder to get those kind of credits in the States but you so work a lot with editors. Its not all “bitch” work even though US Bazaar does work its interns to the bone. Take heart and just do your best to impress with whatever task you are given to do. Trust me, even if someone asks you to get them their morning latte, the way you react to that is all a test of your character and not simply because theey are too lazy to get their own. I learnt that from the Fashon features editor as well as the managing editor.

Best of all, be yourself and have fun with it even during the stressful returns period! It will be worth the experience!

Thank you, Matt, for exposing yourself like this … I think this has been one of the most informative posts on here in a long time, and taking criticism about something you’ve worked so hard on is not easy.

Many people have already said much of what I would say, but I think the key lesson to take from this (for you and everyone) is to know your audience. Conde Nast is not going to be impressed by an “over-the-top” portfolio book and a “I can do it all” attitude from a college student. A simple resume based on all the tips Ed preaches, whether you personally like it or not, is what they want and is honestly what will best portray all your strong experience. They (and all the major mag publishers) also want you to be focused … seeing that you’re interested in writing AND design AND photography makes you seem scattered. No one can be good at everything (at least, not as good as they could be if they focused on one of those things). Your cover letter and resume should reflect your interest in one or the other, no matter how undecided you actually are about it. Unfortunately these major publishers also often want previous internship experience. There is no reason for the Conde Nasts of the world to take a chance on someone without internship experiences when they have hundreds with plenty. This may seem counter to the point of internships, which is for you to learn, but if you look at it from their perspective, they’re hiring you to actually help them and get work done, so they’re going to take the surest thing.

That said … your book might be perfectly suited for small magazines around the country. Find the publications whose staff consists of just 1 or 2 editors and designers and send it to them. Those types of places thrive on the “i-can-do-it-all” person. That’s the only way they exist. And those places can give you tons of freedom to explore and practice.

Matt you got rejected for the same reason I got rejected well plus a few more but mainly because you’re a sophomore. I asked my career advisor and all my professors even someone who works at Magazines Publishers of America and they all said the same thing “every body goes through it”..the dreaded sophomore slump. I have 7 internships and started a magazine and publishing company as well but because I’m a sophomore according to HR I have “plenty of time” to get internships so preference is given to Seniors and Juniors in that order.

I did notice you didn’t have any magazine internship experience, your cover letter was a bit much in tone and structure, you didn’t order your experience appropriately, your resume book wasn’t much for clips—it looked more like a design portfolio, your education is out of order and HS is not necessary, etc. The website is a nice touch but the “resume book” or portfolio as we commonly call it wasn’t geared towards Conde Nast and wasn’t necessary/over the top. Nobody sends hard bound portfolios for an internship especially since HR normally doesn’t return clips.

If you’re looking to network with magazine professionals you should register for the C2C Magazine Conference in Washington, DC. It’s especially for students and is full of panels and workshops by amazing editors including Ed’s own Chandra Czape Turner. You can download the registration form here or email themasthead.2008@gmail.com - http://www.zshare.net/download/1002302697866435/

Best of luck in your search!

P.S. Despite Conde Nast I’ve gotten interviews with some great titles including some under CN so keep on keeping on!

“Good things come to those who wait but only the things left by those who hustle”

yeah. i agree with everyone else. tone it down a bit. be realistic and modest. there is nothing more annoying to hiring eds than someone who is overly confident. also- it’s great that you’re into design and photography, but your resume book is WAY over-designed. it looks like you are trying to intern in photo or art which doesn’t usually sit well with people on the editorial side. they want you to be passionate about writing, not designing. if you love design, you should apply for art internships- you would have a better chance getting one of those…

Hi Matt,

I took a look at your resume. Here are a few suggestions I have that may help you:

Take off the objective - it’s more of a space filler than anything else. If you are contacting an editor about an internship, job, etc. they know that your objective is to get the job! No need to take up valuable space with that information.

Cut your education down to your university, major, and expected date of graduation. Again, where you went to high school is irrelevant and a space filler.

For skills, take off writing. It better be a skill! Stick with your photography and design proficiency.

I would re-order your experience, and start with your most recent position at the top of the page so that the editor doesn’t have to spend a lot of time searching to see what you’ve been up to lately. If 5,000 people really did apply, then you want your resume to be as easy to read as possible for the editors who are skimming through all of them.

Do you have any experience outside of school publications? I agree with the other poster that instead of jumping straight to Conde Nast, you may want to consider a local internship for the experience. Or, if you’ve freelanced for any other pubs, be sure to add those details.

Hope that helps!